Player ratings from yesterday

Mayo team v Kildare

Photo: Mayo Mick

It’d be an interesting exercise, I reckon, to build up a collective idea amongst the lot of us onlookers as to how we thought the lads performed yesterday. I’d love to be able to do this in some kind of automated way but those kind of IT smarts are not my forte, I have to confess, so for now you’ll have to make do with the manual version.

The idea I have is that as many people as possible respond with their player ratings (scoring from from one to ten) from yesterday – and, please, in responding just put forward your own proposed ratings and don’t start commenting on or provoking any rows about what what others have put down, i.e. just put down your scores and leave it at that. This isn’t science, it’s just from-the-hip opinion stuff.

Later on tonight I’ll close off the scoring, manually calculate an average ratings score for each player and post the details. If this works and if you think this constitutes useful information, then it might be something we’ll keep as a post-match feature. Also, if anyone has any bright ideas about how this might be done better (I like, for example, this way of doing it but I haven’t an idea how this might be done in practice), I’m all ears.

Okay, here’s my tuppence worth:

  • Robbie Hennelly: 6
  • Kevin Keane: 5
  • Ger Cafferkey: 6
  • Colm Boyle: 6
  • Lee Keegan: 7
  • Shane McHale: 7
  • Brendan Harrison: 5
  • Tom Parsons: Not on long enough to be rated
  • Aidan O’Shea: 5
  • Cathal Carolan: 7
  • Keith Higgins: 4
  • Adam Gallagher: 7
  • Kevin McLoughlin: 7
  • Andy Moran: 7
  • Darren Coen: 6
  • Jason Gibbons: 8
  • Brian Gallagher: 7
  • David Drake: 7
  • Diarmuid O’Connor: 7
  • Enda Varley: 5
  • Alan Freeman: Not on long enough to be rated
  • Michael Conroy: Not on long enough to be rated (and shouldn’t have come on at all at all as we’d used six subs already by then).

Right, let’s be having the rest of you then.

71 thoughts on “Player ratings from yesterday

  1. Not a very fair thing to do WJ. Basically its saying someone is shite, but with numbers, which is contrary to your rules. Keith Higgins who got a 4 could take it very personal, fair enough for an independent paper/ media outlet, but to pool numbers on a fans site is a bit mean.

  2. Great idea Willie Joe. Maybe add up the averages after each game, have a minimum number of games played requirement (say 7) and whoever gets the highest total is blog player of the year.

  3. I don’t see how you could put such an interpretation on it, Rossoneri, and I reject utterly any allegation that it’s in any sense unfair on contrary to the rules I’ve set for the site. What I’m trying to capture is simply a broad-brush opinion on how the players performed in the match and I don’t see it as a facility for launching any kind of numerical hatchet-job on individual players. Incidentally, I’d say the danger of this happening is far greater when it’s only one reporter doing the scoring (the one from the Indo that was at our game yesterday didn’t even know what Kevin McLoughlin’s name is so going on the say-so of one journalist can have its downsides!) as I think an average scored based on numbers supplied by several people has more merit. In any case, I’m still not sure if this is going to fly at all as it depends on people being willing to put forward their own ratings, with no-one having done so yet.

  4. I don’t see any harm in it. Different people will have different ratings and its the overall statistic that you would like to see. I don’t think players will take it too personally either. E.g. if I gave a player a rating of 4 someone else could just as easily come along and give them a rating of 10. Anyways players themselves know when they have had a poor game or not. Mangers on the ditch or anyone else rating them is not really going to bother them one way or another.

  5. Totally disagree with this straw poll to give player ratings, I really like this site for general comments on all talking points around being a supporter of Mayo football, I for one will reluctantly not be returning to this site if the Player ratings poll becomes a regular feature.

  6. Robbie Hennelly: 6
    Kevin Keane: 4
    Ger Cafferkey: 5
    Colm Boyle: 6
    Lee Keegan: 6
    Shane McHale: 5
    Brendan Harrison: 3
    Tom Parson: Not on long enough to be rated
    Aidan O’Shea: 5
    Cathal Carolan: 6
    Keith Higgins: 5
    Adam Gallagher: 7
    Kevin McLoughlin: 6
    Andy Moran: 7
    Darren Coen: 6
    Jason Gibbons: 6
    Brian Gallagher: 5
    David Drake: 6
    Diarmuid O’Connor: 7
    Enda Varley: 3
    Alan Freeman: Not on long enough to be rated
    Michael Conroy: Not on long enough to be rated.

  7. I like this idea WJ.
    I take you point Ross – but I think WJ has always stressed that the issue is randomly slating players without any rational justification, not saying ‘IMO Player X has a poor game because of A, B, C.’

    Anyway – I would agree with WJ scores except I think the forwards scores were generous. For Kev Mc – 6 (too many turnovers’ , Carolan – 6 (no scores and 2 wides + 1save/45 from 3 shots.) Andy – 6. (No scores and 2 wides from 2 shots I think.)

  8. Robbie Hennelly: 7
    Kevin Keane: 4
    Ger Cafferkey: 5
    Colm Boyle: 5
    Lee Keegan: 5
    Shane McHale: 7
    Brendan Harrison: 6
    Tom Parson: Not on long enough to be rated
    Aidan O’Shea: 6
    Cathal Carolan: 7
    Keith Higgins: 5
    Adam Gallagher: 8
    Kevin McLoughlin: 6
    Andy Moran: 7
    Darren Coen: 6
    Jason Gibbons: 8
    Brian Gallagher: 7
    David Drake: 7
    Diarmuid O’Connor: 6
    Enda Varley: 5
    Alan Freeman: Not on long enough to be rated
    Michael Conroy: Not on long enough to be rated.

  9. Robbie Hennelly: 7
    Kevin Keane: 6
    Ger Cafferkey: 6
    Colm Boyle: 6
    Lee Keegan: 5
    Shane McHale: 6
    Brendan Harrison: 7
    Tom Parson: Not on long enough to be rated
    Aidan O’Shea: 5
    Cathal Carolan: 6
    Keith Higgins: 5
    Adam Gallagher: 7
    Kevin McLoughlin: 7
    Andy Moran: 7
    Darren Coen: 6
    Jason Gibbons: 8
    Brian Gallagher: 7
    David Drake: 7
    Diarmuid O’Connor: 7
    Enda Varley: 5

  10. WJ: I presume its all single figures – no decimalisation allowed ?
    Robbie Hennelly: 7
    Kevin Keane: 6
    Ger Cafferkey: 6
    Colm Boyle: 6
    Lee Keegan: 5
    Shane McHale: 6
    Brendan Harrison: 7
    Tom Parson: Not on long enough to be rated
    Aidan O’Shea: 5
    Cathal Carolan: 6
    Keith Higgins: 5
    Adam Gallagher: 7
    Kevin McLoughlin: 7
    Andy Moran: 7
    Darren Coen: 6
    Jason Gibbons: 8
    Brian Gallagher: 7
    David Drake: 7
    Diarmuid O’Connor: 7
    Enda Varley:5

  11. jason gibbons my man of the match needs to be giving a lot more time at center field ar center half forward a lot of ball went through him and what a cracker of a goal

  12. Robbie Hennelly: 6
    Kevin Keane: 6
    Ger Cafferkey: 6
    Colm Boyle: 6
    Lee Keegan: 6
    Shane McHale: 6
    Brendan Harrison: 7
    Aidan O’Shea: 4
    Cathal Carolan: 6
    Keith Higgins: 5
    Adam Gallagher: 7
    Kevin McLoughlin: 7
    Andy Moran: 7
    Darren Coen: 6
    Jason Gibbons: 8
    Brian Gallagher: 7
    David Drake: 7
    Diarmuid O’Connor: 7
    Enda Varley:4

  13. Robbie Hennelly: 6
    Kevin Keane: 5
    Ger Cafferkey: 6
    Colm Boyle: 6
    Lee Keegan: 7
    Shane McHale: 6
    Brendan Harrison: 5
    Tom Parson: Not on long enough to be rated
    Aidan O’Shea: 5
    Cathal Carolan: 6
    Keith Higgins: 5
    Adam Gallagher: 8
    Kevin McLoughlin: 6
    Andy Moran: 7
    Darren Coen: 6
    Jason Gibbons: 8
    Brian Gallagher: 7
    David Drake: 7
    Diarmuid O’Connor: 7
    Enda Varley: 5
    Alan Freeman: Not on long enough to be rated

  14. A black card doesnt count as a sub i dont think so therefore Conroy was eligible to come on as he was the fifth proper sub. I could be wrong though

  15. Surely the substitution of Tom Parsons, who was looking good in the few minutes he was there, does not count as one of the six substitutions allowed being a blood substitution.
    The issue of somebody giving a “shite” rating should not arise as among a pile of ratings an individual rating would not matter. It should be possible to find an existing system such as Surveymonkey which would allow the ratings to be given and calculated automatically .
    [Surveymonkey is used for employee opinion surveys, etc.] Trying to collate perhaps 50 responses would be beyond the call of duty for anybody, IMO.
    Anyway my ratings.
    Hennelly 8 [three points from 3 50’s]
    Keane 6
    Cafferty 6
    Boyle 6
    Keegan 7
    McHale 6
    Harrison 5
    O’Shea 5
    Parsons Not on long enough to be rated.
    Carolan 5
    Higgins 5
    A Gallagher 6
    McLoughlin 6
    Moran 6
    Coen 5
    Gibbons 6
    B Gallagher 6
    Drake 6
    O’Connor 6
    Freeman , Varley, Conroy Not on long enough to be rated.

  16. Gibbons was initially introduced as a blood sub but then the switch was confirmed as a full substitution after it became clear that Parsons could not return to the field of play. You are allowed a total of 6 full subs, using only a max. of 3 to replace black card offenders.

  17. Great idea WJ, this site gets better and better. Here are my ratings:
    Hennelly-8
    Keane -5
    Cafferty -6
    Boyle -6
    Keegan-7
    McHale-6
    Harrison-5
    O’Shea-6 (till black card)
    Parsons-N/A
    Carolan-5
    Higgins-5
    A Gallagher-5
    McLoughlin-6
    Moran-6
    Coen-7
    Gibbons-8
    B Gallagher-6
    Drake-6
    O’Connor-7
    Varley, conroy, freeman-N/A

  18. Hennelly 7
    Keane 6
    Cafferty 5
    Boyle 6
    Keegan 7
    McHale 6
    Harrison 5
    O’Shea 6
    Parsons Not on long enough to be rated.
    Carolan 7
    Higgins 5
    A Gallagher 8
    McLoughlin 8
    Moran 7
    Coen 6
    Gibbons 7
    B Gallagher 7
    Drake 7
    O’Connor 6
    Freeman , Varley, Conroy Not on long enough to be rated.

  19. Hennelly 8
    Keane 3
    Cafferty 7
    Boyle 5
    Keegan 6
    McHale 5
    Harrison 5
    O’Shea 5
    Parsons Not on long enough to be rated.
    Carolan 3
    Higgins 4
    A Gallagher 6
    McLoughlin 6
    Moran 6
    Coen 5
    Gibbons 6
    B Gallagher 5
    Drake 5
    O’Connor 6
    Freeman , Varley, Conroy Not on long enough to be ra

  20. On the issue of black cards making players reluctant to tackle it will, if this becomes a permanent attitude, place even greater emphasis on accurate forwards and speed merchants willing to go for goal. It will also make defending a nightmare. I do not think that this type of game will be all that attractive in the long run. There was no great entertainment, to my mind, watching the Kerry/Dublin teams of the late 1970’s running up the huge scores which featured in many of their games and was assisted by the then use of the handpass and handpassed goal.. There has to be a balance between attackers and defenders and while eliminating cynical fouling is to be applauded there was nothing cynical and nothing really to be gained from yesterday’s tackle which earned Aiden O’Shea a red card. It was only natural that it would make defenders wary of trying to tackle
    I have just added up all the scores in the four divisions yesterday and while I cannot compare them to previous years they do seem higher than usual,with one or two exceptions [Dublin Kerry which I did not see]. However there was no glut of goals. Anyway Div ! totaled 5 = 60 to 5= 50 with Mayo Kildare of course being top scorer.
    Div 2 was even higher scoring 6 = 64 to 6 = 47 with Galway Meath taking the honours.
    Div 3 was the lowest scoring, 3 = 54 to 0 = 47 while Div 4 yielded 9 = 55 to 4 = 31.

  21. So would it have been OK for Mayo to have him reintroduced in the last minute of play if he were still on the sideline and thereby not have the original substitution counted?

  22. I would rate Gibbons high on yesterdays perfromance…we need to find a long term place for his talent…but where?…come championship, midfield is sorted with the two O’Sheas and/or Barry. Andy will be CHF and Freezer at FF. ….so where to put a talent like Gibbons?
    IMO, we are still so vulnerable under a high dropping ball in the back, so either FB or CHF…anyone disagre with the premise…then just look at the damamge inflicted in the last two AI finals….its almost impossible to recover from that and a huge ask of ANY forward line.

  23. Yeah, have to agree with posters who’ve objected to player ratings features, it’s just barstool punditry inflicted on amatuer players who deserve better. It just seems totally contradictory to the spirit of the site. Shame really.

  24. Each to their own, I suppose, but you could equally say that as things stand there’s loads of non-numerical “barstool punditry inflicted on amateur players” in many of the post-match comments. I don’t see how numerically rating players should be seen as being contradictory to the spirit of the site but, that said, I’m okay with being guided by the majority on this. One for a poll with the updated players ratings later on, maybe?

  25. Im grand with the player ratings WJ…i think its a reasonable way to assess performance. The vast majority of the folks who come on here know their stuff, know the game and only want the best for mayo as a county and when providing feedback on player perfromance, do so in that context. I think you do a good job of policing that. But I’m also grand if the majority dont like it.

  26. “there’s loads of non-numerical “barstool punditry inflicted on amateur players” in many of the post-match comments. ”

    Absolutely but the ratings just smack of tabloid soccer analysis and I really don’t believe it’s in the spirit of our amatuer game – It’s like you cross some kind of line.

    The quality of debate and analysis on here is way ahead of any football blog or forum I’ve come across. For the most part really intelligent and impassioned. Player ratings just seem to dumb it down.

  27. I too would worry about the effects the black card will have on defenders. Not that they don’t understand it’s use, but it will be the ref’s interpretation of it’s use, that will have them almost afraid to tackle. In a big match no player will want to be sent off for some minor offence, especially in a important match and if a ref gives one team a black, the other team better watch out. No offence to the Ladies here, but what I wouldn’t want is our very physical and manly game to become too girlie.

  28. I think if it wasnt for hennelly we would be down by 3 or 4 more points as he went up their and took them 45s like he could take them all day, the two midfielders who got thrown in there (jason gibbons and Brian Gallegher were super as they caught alot of ball in the midfield area and got it straight into the forwards alot of positive to take out of yesterdays game in newbridge.

  29. A Tipp hurler once shoe horned Vincent Hogan over his ratings. “When did you play at a level that allows you to judge me with a mark when you never tested yourself at that level” was the polite translation of what he actually said to Hogan. I am with the Tipp hurler on player ratings. Already we see Harrison swinging between a 3 and a 6 and him making more or less his debut but a defender taken for six points from play gets mainly 6s, a few 7s and two 5s.

    Rosseneri is right. Don’t think it’s fair and here’s why, it’s subjective . One mans All Star might be anothers 5/10.

  30. No way to numerical polling. It already smells of Parish and club affinities. Criticism is hurtful to amateurs. If anyone is having a bad day he should first be switched and then replaced if needs be; unfortunately we have a very slow sideline in dealing with these matters; anyone can have an ‘off’ day and should not be left to toast as is the case here in Mayo!!

  31. Yep, plus as soon you make it a feature it just opens to the floor to everyone else. I know Willie Joe and most contributors to this site have the highest respect for Mayo football and beyond so it really seems contradictory to the spirit of the blog. It’s not evil or anything, just kind of unnecessary – that’s my gut feeling.

  32. Maybe WJ, have a poll with people picking who they thought was Mayo’s best player on the day? e.g. it would then maybe end up something like:

    Player A : 22%
    Player B : 18%
    Player C: 12%
    Player D: 10% etc…..

    Hopefully that should give a good break-down of who people thought played well on the day. What do ye think? Whats that phrase again, praise by name, criticize by category……

  33. Me too
    Lets just keep it to talk and opinion. Ratings are a bit much when we have lads that just lost 2 finals. Let them work away with being rated.

  34. From my own experience I would be reluctant to give player ratings based on just one single match. Anyone can have one good day or one bad day at the office. Think of the rating AOS would have got post Donegal last August & the rating he would have got just a few weeks later post AIF. I would be especially reluctant to give ratings in February where some players have a decided fitness advantage & others are still hibernating for the winter (recovering from injury & not playing at all or perhaps deciding that not playing is the better option !)
    I believe that what we need is consistency & the recognition of recurring patterns.
    Yesterday I was happy with the performance of many of our young players ( like Gibbons, Drake & both Gallaghers). I thought Andy Moran & Kevin McLoughlin looked more like their old selves as well. I know there was criticism over the rate of turnovers but I would not be overly critical of this at this point.
    I was pleased to see James seated in the stand with his friend Donie. I sincerely hope that all his other friends haven’t flown the nest & that they are happy to see the two together plotting the future of Mayo Football.
    Apart from his last two substitutions (recurring pattern) I was happy enough this time. Sometimes in the League it is better to leave players to sink or swim and a few of them sank. Of those that sank there is now a recurring pattern as well. We are not defending our goal area very well & there is far too much passive defending going on when we need to be ruthless (like extravagant flying attempted blocks from a great distance that have more to do with perception & the Oscars than Football).
    The other recurring pattern is that when we get through on goal we are blasting against the goalkeeper rather than picking out the killer pass. With the new black card rule goals are going to be more frequent & more decisive than ever this year. This is why we must defend our own goal at all costs & take whatever opportunities are going at the other end.
    Over to James & Donie to deal with the recurring patterns. You will always get individual problems from one game to the next but recurring patterns have to be dealt with.

  35. Saw on the newspaper today that Michael Conroy was introduced as a sub in the 72nd minute. did anyone else think it strange that Mayo were bringing on a sub, and the time so important, at this stage of the game. the ref had indicated one minute of additional time. Remember John O mahony in Tuam Stadium doing the same thing when he was in charge of the galway under 21 team, Mayo were winning at the time and the Galway supporters went crazy. He finished with galway that year.

  36. WJ – ya agree with previous poster that surveymonkey is probably the best tool for this kind of on-line surveying. Can be configured to list players and rating score range of 1 to 10 that can be selected using radio buttons. Survey can be sent out with a hyperlink for responders to access the survey questions. Reports and graphics are also configurable.

  37. Yes, use survey monkey. Some slight reservations on this but here goes:
    Hennelly 8
    Keane 3
    Cafferky 5
    Boyle 5
    Keegan 6
    McHale 5
    Harrison 4
    O’Shea 5
    Parsons Not on long enough to be rated.
    Carolan 6
    Higgins 5
    A Gallagher 5
    McLoughlin 6
    Moran 7
    Coen 6
    Gibbons 9
    B Gallagher 7
    Drake 6
    O’Connor 6
    Freeman , Varley, Conroy Not on long enough to be ra

  38. Well said Mister mayor. I feel our fullback line weakness seems to have escaped notice up ’til now. I still harp on sweeping up, a view that nobody seems to be interested in.

  39. Yeah Joey, your right there, its amazing how many times Mayo concede a goal just when they are getting on top. Kildare got their second goal just after Mayo had got back into the game again and had even gone ahead. It was like the second goal Dublin got in the All-Ireland final after Andy Moran had just scored to get us level. You’d wonder is it a concentration thing or what. Its a habit or pattern that we seem to have in our play for a long time. You’d love to see that been eradicated from our game….

  40. Hi Willie Joe – could I just make a small comment on your statement, “there’s loads of non-numerical “barstool punditry inflicted on amateur players” in many of the post-match comments.”
    I honestly feel that in the great majority of posts there were mostly well balanced, justified, accurate and respectful comments on the players’ performances; actually a lot of great posts. As an aside, if someone gives a 5 to any player it’s not praising them.

  41. WJ i think your suggestion of a poll similar to what you run before matches maybe the best way to begin with. Poll would list all Mayo players who played in the match with each responder voting for their Man of the match, one vote per poll responder only. Poll closes after x number of days, results show list of players and number of votes each in descending order. Maybe a lot of extra effort for you though.

  42. I dunno lads….everyone gets rated at what they do and yes, it can be subjective, the rating that is. But tell me, is a full forwards role not to score ?If so, then his performance will be rated on his tally for the game. Equally, the FB’s role is to dominate, Marshall the defense and hold his man to scoring nothing! I think it can be rated on this criteria, but there is some subjectivity and I myself have seen enough of some players, who have been given numerous chances, to make the determination that I don’t think they are up to this level. I feel bad for them but if we are to win, we must be realistic and ruthless at the same time.

  43. Again it was interesting when watching the highlights of the week-end football, the importance of that reliable forward who can just put the ball over the bar for fun. Kildare had Paddy Brophy, Kerry had James O’Donoghue, Cork had Daniel Goulding. Players who just want to score all of the time. Its like when you were a young lad, playing football, there were always the goal hangers! They were just mad to score goals…. Unfortunately for Mayo’s male football team the only forward in Mayo who plays like this is a female, its Cora Staunton! She has an almost insatiable appetite to just keep on scoring. Can we find someone like that for the Men’s team….

  44. Yeah maybe – Kildare also had very good forwards/scorers in the league game last year. They weren’t playing yesterday!

  45. WJ I wouldn’t be over excited about the numerical rating either. There’s something about it that makes me uneasy for some reason.
    However it triggers an idea with me. Survey monkey is a very powerful tool. Could JH use it? What if he picked say 10 solid reliable and knowledgable observers who would privately rate the players across a number of criteria after every game. Things like skill level, work rate, teamwork, decision making, etc etc. Only himself and the selectors would have access to the the results. They could use this as a way of confirming or challenging their own observations. It would be particularly useful in staying objective about well established players who might be going off the boil or newbies who might be fighting for a starting place.
    I might be wrong but then it wouldn’t be the first time I applied a technological solution to a problem that doesn’t actually exist in the first place!

  46. The worry here is that this site may have a lot more influence than we think it has and a much wider audience than just those contributing.
    Imagine the scenario where a player gets fantastic ratings from his friends, parish or others involved over an extended period but has to be dropped by management because in reality he is not really good enough, could we not have the journos screaming headlines ‘Mayo supporters top rated player shunned by Horan’ or the ‘True voice of Mayo football support ‘Mayo GAA Blog’, top star dropped.
    IMO and it’s only my opinion WJ but I think most on here give credit to players where it,s due and voice their criticism likewise.
    Even an anonymous poll per player could give false results.

  47. Without having to rate players individually(and i don’t see anything wrong with it) here is how i rate Mayo against Kildare yesterday,
    Goalkeepers 9

    Defenders 3.5

    Midfielders 6,5

    Forwards 6

    Subs 6

    Management/sideline 4

    Referee/Officials 5

    Its a game we could have won, but as one contributer put it, there are a lot of positives to be taken out of yesterdays game. At this time of the year we see new fresh faces playing in positions on the mayo team that we don’t usually associate with the green and red, and its a must for mayo going forward. Its also a must that these new players are given a fair crack at the whip to prove their worthiness, so this is why i chose to score in the way i did as not individualise players ,with the exception of the Goalkeeper who in my humble opinion was awesome yesterday and has been since coming back to mayo football last season.Now if footballers are to be rated, so also should the management and the officials/referee. Looking forward to a good game, some improvement, and a win in Omagh.

  48. Agree with your general point about the ratings john but would have to pull you up on the other comment. Who was the defender taken for 6 points? If it’s cafferkey you mean, well that’s incorrect as colm Boyle switched on him for 2 of brophys first half points, and I’m not sure who marked brophy second half (seemed like keegan was making him for the last score) so not fair to say he was taken for 6

  49. Goalkeeper gets 9 points. He let in 2 goals. If those hadn’t gone he would be only 1 point better. I think player ratings gives a better idea on who performs well.
    Lets say the full back is playing the best game of his life and a corner back makes a stupid mistake, then the fullback is also penalized. I don’t think that’s fair,

  50. The goalkeeper came up the field and kicked three 45s over the bar, varied his kick outs very well, and if the defenders were doing their jobs those two goals would not have gone in. Its all very well to blame the keeper for letting in two goals but he is only one man in a seven man defence. Goalkeepers rarely get any credit for the jobs they do (unless your name is Cluxton) and imo they play a most crucial roll in football. I agree that if one player makes a mistake and another player comes in for the critisism is very unfair but you just have to look at who is dishing it out, “someone who never kicked a ball in their lives, armchair watchers”

  51. Agreed Ciaran, the keeper was very good last Sunday but don’t forget the huge mistake he made against Dublin in the AIF , coming off his line, didn’t get the ball and knocked his own man out of the way. If this didn’t happen , I believe we would be AI champions now. He made a very similar mistake in one of the FBD games this year. Surely, a player must say to himself after last September , that will never happen to me again. That’s called learning from your mistakes

  52. Nephin, i also agree with you when you say the goalkeeper made one error in the All Ireland final, but as Mister Mayor alluded to he was’nt the only one to be blamed for that and also if you think back to that game if it was’nt for Robbie Hennelly that day we could easily have been hammered by Dublin if it were’nt for the numerous fine saves that he made in that game, and prior to that had not conceeded a goal in the championship, but lads, that is in past and we should forget about that one and look forward to winning the next. Remember that Mayo lost two All Irelands in 1948 and 1949 before going on to win the next two and i have no doubt that this group of footballers will go one better curse or no curse!

  53. AndyD no, because his full substitution would have been confirmed at that point with the sideline official once it became obvious he could not continue and the doctor confirmed such with the 4th official. I don’t know if there is a time limit when you have to confirm the blood sub as a full substitution but I do know that the ref has to see blood before he will allow the blood sub to be made. The blood subs are in addition to the 6 subs allowed, of which a max of 3 can be used to replace black card offenders.
    For example, if you don’t get any black cards, you can make 6 substitutions. If you pick up 2 black cards, you will have used 2 subs to replace the black card offenders, so that leaves you with 4 subs left that can be used. If you pick up 4 black cards, you will have used 3 subs to replace 3 of the black card offenders leaving you with 3 more subs to make, but, down to 14 men.
    Confused.com

  54. Just to clear it up, Conroy would not have been allowed on because the 6 subs were used.
    Gibbons for Parsons (initially as a blood sub but confirmed as a full sub)**
    B. Gallagher for O’Shea (black card)
    Drake for Harrison
    Freeman for Higgins
    O’Connor for Coen
    Varley for A. Gallagher
    ** Had Gibbons gone back off and Parsons come on again his bloodn sub would not have been confirmed to a full sub and Mayo would not have used one of their 6 subs allowed.

  55. Well said Ciaran – Hennelly prevented plenty of goals that day too.

    Not his fault that our forwards failed to step up after Moran’s levelling goal, nor that our midfield were miles off the pace of Cluxton’s kickouts for the entire second half.

    By the way Mayo didn’t reach the final in 1949, they lost the semi to Meath.

  56. I know Ciaran, indeed you’re correct about Robbie making several great saves, but what bothers me is repeating the mistake . James keeps on about learning from them but it seems , we don’t.

  57. Mayo have been making repeat mistakes all last year. Pray that won’t happen again. If it does what the hell does that say???

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